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Mmm, senseful thinking!

Ah, that shot. I found out I'd had my fourth tetanus shot in 2000. Called our hospital helpline (free consulting - wonder if you have anything similar in the US?) and was told that it would be safe for at least 20 years after that, so I'll probably get a renewal in a few years. Looked into tetanus statistics too btw, and apparently one one person each year is affected. And, if they rest until the toxin disappears from the body, they'll be fine, no complications. It felt like the danger levels of tetanus might be a bit over-acclaimed...

Some would say these sentiments are nonsensical, pseudointellectual bong-ridden thoughts from my f*cked up head...what can I say, we live in a f*cked up world where we are blinded by nostalgia and dreaming about the future. None of these events are real.

free hospital helpline? we do, but it's more efficient to just use google lol for stuff like that. But if you're in an accident or something and need assistance there's a 24/7 nurse that you can call for 'free' if you need instance. 'free' as in the new insurance that you are required to pay for under Obamacare. I don't drink alcohol, do drugs (sans the occasional *herb*) or live a high-risk lifestyle yet my insurance costs have about tripled under than man! As long as these new taxes can provide and set up a cheaper, quality healthcare to people that are less financially fortunate though, it's okay with me I guess.

Btw, have you had tetanus shots? I hear some vaccines are obligatory in the US?

Yeah last one I had was in 2008.

Well vaccines are not mandated by the government, but rather certain institutions like schools may require them before you enter. I would think that would be the case in Sweden and other developed countries too? Albeit the EU is not as (over)-invested in the medical-pharmaceutical industry as the US.

There are several vaccines that are highly recommended here. Majority are given during 0-5 years of age. There's Hepatitis A and B, the former which is usually enforced now but not when I was in school (the vaccine wasn't really used in the U.S. until the late 90s/early 2000s but I got it later for traveling purposes). Then of course tetanus, which is also packaged with the attenuated viruses diptheria and pertussis (whooping cough) in the same immunization. Adult boosters typically just contain the former 2. The MMR shot immunizes against measles, mumps, and rubella. Then there is the singular polio, pneumococcal, rotavirus, and haemophlic vaccines typically administered to infants. Chickenpox vaccines are commonly enforced now, but not when I was kid. Most people just got the pox around age 6-10, were out of school for a couple weeks and then back healthy; rarely anything serious.

The when you're a teenager, a vaccine that protects against meningitis caused by the virus N. mengingitidis is routinely provided, especially if you're involved with sports and/or are going to live in a college dorms. And of course, there is the fairly recently developed HPV vaccination recommended for those that are (planning to be) sexually active, and the annual influenza vaccine (as the virus mutates to a new prominent, resistant form every year). That last shot is perhaps largely a business scheme- I feel such a shot should be recommended for the elderly and immunocompromised.

Tetanus is exceedingly rare, as is polio in this day and age. However, many health organizations do not consider a disease to be eradicated until there is no documented cases of infection over a period of 2-3 years, and until then, immunizations are still encouraged. My parents (and presumably your parents as well) had the smallpox shot but not us- the virus, as far as we know, only exists in highly secure laboratories. Although, I think soldiers in the U.S. still get vaccinated before heading overseas in the instances in a highly unlikely event of biological warfare?

The adult booster used to be 20 years in the U.S., too. Now it's suggested every ten years. I cannot find any literature as to why this changed, or what statistics prompted the spacing of boosters all the same. Just an anecdotal account of a rare anecdotal case but I knew a girl who had gotten her last tetanus shot within 8 years and found that her antibody titers were low (not just tetanus either) before she entered nursing school. Everybody's immunity is a little different and I suppose the CDC decided every 10 years was best and that outweighed the statistic probabilities of adverse reactions of potential vaccine overdosage.

True that! Though some of these are real. For real. Unless you mean are thoughts aren't events, and we live within our minds, dreaming, not doing, just living in past and future and all but present... sensefull thinking there too.

Reminds me I really need to get some personal insurance soon. It costs money though. I've been without ever since I stopped studying, and lost those incredible-cheap-insurance-as-a-student perks you get... at least I'm insured via my job, and since I live at home still I don't have to worry about home insurance. It's a gamble though, if you never need the insurance, it'd be such a waste to pay for it, but if you do you'll probably regret you didn't... is insurance obligatory in the US though? No choice in the matter?

Thoughts are definitely real events. Using thoughts to learn from the past and attempt to forecast the future are particularly useful thoughts. But still, a memory or dream is just imagination and not what's real (only the present is real).

health insurance is an obligatory taxation for the most part, the same way taxes are necessary to pay for federal, state and relevant government affairs, civil maintenance, military, emergency, medical, public education, etc. even entertainment structures (like building or maintaining a new sports arena) can be funded through taxation if they are believed to generate revenue in the long run. And if you drive, you need to pay insurance for each car you own (and you can get arrested for not having valid insurance if stopped by a police officer).

well, that's how the world works unfortunately...most everything costs money. Either pay a larger price out of pocket, or collectively tax the population for a service. If you didn't have to directly pay for insurance then you would get more money in your paycheck. Personal insurance for? Not health is it? I thought U.S. was the only first world that didn't have socialized healthcare until recently.

If no one tries to terrorize your country, or commit a crime against you, is it a waste to pay for the military and law enforcement? If your house never catches fire, is it a waste to pay firefighters? If a road or bridge never collapses, is it a waste to pay civil engineers and construction workers? And it's not like employees of these occupations are bad people, a hospital won't turn down an emergency or a serious medical condition (that could retrospectively be less expensive to society if the person had health insurance, was able to see a doctor and get help before their health turned into a long, care-intensive hospital stay)

Nah, vaccines are voluntary over here... and I hope they stay that way. I understand the will to eliminate certain diseases entirely, but considering potential side-effects versus the severity of some of these diseases, it's not always worth it. We've avoided vaccines as much as possible in my family, though Ericsson had some requirements while we were abroad. I know we had to take certain vaccines to get into certain countries, and others to get into certain schools, etc. Which is why we've probably had way more vaccines than the average Swede, excluding that infernal influenza fad. I have a little booklet with a few pages listing them all, probably at least 20-30 different shots.

I don't think I've had anything against measles btw, or maybe I'm confusing that with chicken pox or one of the other ones... I know I had at least one of those as a kid. Better get it while you're young, and grow immune that way, than get the vaccine and be at risk the rest of your life IMO. Looking back I wish I'd had the other two common ones as well! The severity's so much higher if you get them as an adult.

Yeah, I definitely think the influenza vaccine is largely a commercial thing. I keep reading about people who get it, and then get the influenza anyway, and because they took the vaccine their immune-system is temporarily weakened and it becomes even harder. Not sure if it's due to the strain within the vaccine itself, or a lowered immune-system that makes it easier to catch, but either way, that's one vaccine we're definitely not getting. I had the influenza a few weeks ago, I think, if it wasn't a regular cold + unrelated infection, and it wasn't that bad... *knock on wood I know some people have it pretty hellish*

Oh, soldiers get extras? Can't be healthy to be a soldier. :/ Yeah, I read about the 10 year Tetanus recommendation online (American websites), thus the call to make sure. Some sites even recommended 5 year intervals. I guess you're going with the 10 year plan?

You really know your vaccines btw! If I have that booklet nearby next time I respond I'll post in a list of the ones I have, could be interesting.

Probably chicken pox. Measles is more serious and fatal. Surely you didn't mean to say you wish you got sick with "the other two common" diseases? Because they are quite serious. Not sure what you mean here.

the influenza vaccine often causes mild flu side effects, which the pharmaceutical industry will spin (somewhat validly) as being better than catching a stronger strain of the flu virus.

10 year plan it is...I'm an advocate for going through life with the least amount of prescription pills and medication possible, but in truth long-term negative side effects of vaccines is very low, and the benefit-to-detriment ratio is well studied.

well I am an Indian doctor of public health after all lol

For real!

Ah, right, we do pay taxes for health-related benefits, but 'health insurance' here is an additional thing, personal insurance for you I take it - one that pays for hospital bills in case of accidents, etc? We do have socialized healthcare, but it's not all free, especially not for serious injuries.

Costa Rica seem to be doing pretty well even without an army. I'm not sure military strength is as good a deterrent as no military strength. Attacking a defenseless country, who would do such a thing?! They'd get the rest of the world against them. Attacking a military superpower however, that can be justified. Well, disregarding military budget, I do get your point. Was speaking on personal insurance though, costs related to me only, not tax-based contributions (in which case I agree - though I feel they've lost controls on costs completely in regard to taxes).

Hmm not sure if it's measles I mean, not very proficcient with English terms when it comes to the medail field yet. We've always talked about the 'three common child diseases' that you could get as a kid and grow immune to right after getting them once, yet if you'd get them as an adult they could be fatal. I'll get back to you on that, gotta ask teh parents.

Mild seems like a relative term.

No negative effecs of quicksilver/mercury? Reading about all the serious or terminal diseases people managed to get from the very hastily produced swine-flu vacinne a few years definately enforced my opionions of vaccines not being that good for you. My brother has psoriasis probably due to an overload of vaccines as a child. But maybe they're better now. I don't believe they're all bad, probably not the ones that have been around a long time, but I try to avoid them as much as I can.

True that! :D

The ones I was thinking of: Chickenpox, Mumps and Roseola - but apparently only the first is more severe in adults, and only the last is one you become immune to for life once you get it. Apparently I have no idea what I'm talking about!

As for vaccines I've taken: Polio, Diphteria, Tetanus, Typhoid, Hepatitis A and B, Meningitis, Rabies and BCG, at just 20 shots though, most of which are expired by now.

Roseola like chicken pox is a herpesvirus-the thing with most herpes simplexes is that once they are in the body you cannot fully get rid of them and they have the potential to manifest later in life. Yes, the immune system does rid the *active* virus and send antibodies upon instances of future exposure. But some strains stay latent, and are able to avoid the immune system. If you've got the strain of herpesvirus that causes Chickenpox (varicella zoster) the virus 'hides' in nerve cells, and potentially can cause Shingles later in life. The mechanism is not well understood, but it is thought that the cellular immunity to this virus weakens with age and causes localized outbreaks from the nerves in which the virus was hibernating. Roseola may reactivate itself and perhaps be attributed to the less serious Pityriasis rosea rash amongst other general symptoms.

Surprised mumps-measles-rubella was not part of your immunization regimen. Vaccination against typhoid, BCG, rabies were probably due to your travels in South America. Did you receive the brutal abdominal rabies shots?? I remember back in the day I had a neighbor who got bit by a wild animal (cannot remember if it was a racoon, or just a loose dog) and they immediately gave him rabies shots to be safe. At the time I don't think the standard intradermal vaccinations where available so he had to get the stomach shots. He couldn't have been more than five!

if you received appropriately timed booster shots then immunity should supposedly last throughout life, possibly sans the tetanus and diptheria. You could also have a lab do a blood titer to check your antibody levels, but it's probably less of a hassle to just get re-vaccinated.

vaccines have not included mercury for some time now. even then, they are not the only toxic ingredient packaged in vaccines- namely one other dangerous chemical is formaldehyde. Nonetheless, all these ingredients are diluted to very small amounts (and only administered in a few instances over a lifetime) to the point in which these substances are deemed to be clinically negligible and pose only a remote chance of causing long-term harm to the body. My point being, an adverse reaction to a vaccine is statistically one of the last things a soldier needs to worry about before heading into a third world country.

Mild = runny-nose, nausea, faint stomach pains, decongestion, etc. Some level of discomfort but nothing that would seriously inhibit you from partaking in daily activities
Moderate-Serious: diarrhea, vomiting, major stomach pains, fainting, fever, not being able to keep food down, the type of stuff that would keep you in bed.

lol, I'm pretty sure it's colonial American who took land from the Indians and enslaved Africans. When is war ever justified? When are weapons justified? It's just the way this f*cked up world works. There's always going to be someone after your resources, there's always going to be criminals, so it's in your best interest to have a strong defense when the event inevitably happens.

Well, I agree too. High, somewhat proportionate taxes ideally should provide a good social backbone but the reality is when you increase taxes there is going to be more civil unrest, and it's not like most politicians are the ones you should entrust your money with. At the end of the day though all political and economical systems are BS...it boils down to what the people in the system are going to make of the situation

Oh, good knowing.

I guess the might not've been considered that dangerous? My brother actually got bitten by a wild dog once when he visited, had to get 8 shots to the stomach right away. He was around 30 at the time though, must've been brutal to get that as a kid! I did get bitten by a dog too once, but it wasn't wild so I think they checked if it had rabies or not. Or maybe I had the shot already...

Mmm not sure it'd be necessary to get boosters for exotic diseases I might not come in contact with, but good knowing. If you go past the due-date without a booster, do you have to go through the whole initial process again btw, or does a booster work even at a later date?

They had mercury in the swine-flu vaccine though, I think 2+12? People got narcolepsy and all kinds of weird stuff from that.

Ah, alright, the cases I heard of were definitely pretty serious then. I've read about this via more local sources, but with regard to America in particular, what do you think of: http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/could-the-ineffective-flu-shot-be-causing-more-severe-flu-outbreaks-including-deaths/

Good point. :) That was back in the day though. With our global order, national propoganda won't suffice to make a defenseless country appear as a threat. The propoganda they do direct seems to be at least towards countries that do have armies. No army = no threat, right? Unless the country in question is isolated and out of communication range, in which people can be made to believe whatever they want about said country. Or maybe I'm underestimating the reach of each government... yeah, criminals will be there for sure, gotta have law enforcement to combat those, but entire countries attacking other countries, that's at least a bit more difficult now when everyone's involved. The US seem to be getting around though...

Right. It feels like the higher taxes get, the larger a portion of those they waste, too. It's like how when you get lots of free time, all tasks start taking more time. When they get more money, they spend more money. And if demand doesn't keep up with the supply, they start wasting, and then when demand catches up they have a hard time adapting, like when you go from having all that free time to having a full-time job. Suddenly there are more tasks than there is time. You know what I'm sayin'?

I think it depends on the how the body recognizes the pathogen. Once you're given the shot, you should be immune for several years, assuming a normal, healthy immune system. Just speculating now, but as an adult, your immune system may now produce a better immunological memory and doesn't need to undergo the regular cycle. On the other hand, some diseases need to be exposed more to the body to develop sufficient protection and in that case you would need the routine booster shots. I'm not really sure though

oh yeah, so flu vaccines DO contain thimerosal (this is the name of mercury containing compound in vaccines btw) although you can ask for the more expensive ones without it(seems like a no-brainer wtf). But for most vaccines, especially children doses, it is standard procedure to not include it.

I realize serious adverse reactions to vaccines exist, the same can be said for any substance. But these are definitely outlier cases that aren't statistically significant to deem the medicine unsafe. But as for the flu...who knows though?? I, like you, don't think it's in the best interest to keep stocking up on a new vaccine each year as that's not enough time to put it through rigorous testing. Did you watch the video? I agree mostly with everything Dr. Geier's says. Don't worry, you can break your YouTube abstinence to watch this one as it's educational.

True, proclaiming that a country is a terrorist threat is the easiest way to justify going to war with a country. There's still more subtle ways to go about it, though. Like supplying Al Qaeda with weapons, and going to war with them two decades later.

New age, global order especially in a world that is instantly connected via digital information does help much, indeed. You could have several big brothers, like let's say U.S., Russia, and China that don't necessarily like each other, but are all friends with the the nice, albeit partially mentally deficient little brother (let's make it a tropical vacation island in South America). So if one country decides to f*ck with the little brother, that country is going to have to deal with all three. But there's still going to be powerful extremist groups neighboring with the little brother who don't have any regard for their own country. They pose immediate threats which are best resolved initially by a having a well formed military of their own.

I guess I'm straying from my original point a few posts back, but you're right, a place like Costa Rica might be low-risk and may not need that insurance- but countries like the USA which a lot of the world holds disdain for, not so much.

To clarify btw, I didn't mean to imply people might've gotten narcolepsy from mercury specifically, that was just one other side-effect of that particular vaccine. Also: 2012.

Mmm, I'm much too out of my green field to speculate. Sounds reasonable!

Didn't know there was a mercury-free alternative! Seeing as this is no third-world country in which I live, we should be getting that choice. As far as I was aware there was no option though, will have to look into...

Heh, I've watched it now (should probably stop linking to content I haven't thoroughly gone through). :) Good video. I agree too, and it got me wondering what 19 other diseases are ranked higher than AIDS hmm... I probably don't want to know.As for that YT thing, I'm still watching the occasional video I stumble upon, just not checking back on the site or subscription feed. It really freed up a chunk of time with this habit! Not that I'm spending this time gained much wiser...

Is that common knowledge over there, or more of a conspiracy-theory thing? As for terrorism, it feels they've portrayed only one cultural clique as a threat so far. Might be difficult to propagate against all races.

Agreed!

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is what a conspiracy? America supplying Al Qaeda with weapons? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_assistance_to_Osama_bin_Laden) I try to avoid government affairs.

YouToo!

Mmm better not meddle in government business, something might happen! :O Pretty intreasting read that link.

Nah, the government has better things to do than worry about a pleb such as myself spouting conspiracy theories/information. I just meant I would rather divert my attention elsewhere than Washington politics.

hmm, thinking of doing an alliterative themed summer. we'll see.

Jazz (Standard) June
Juleidoscope
Acoustic August

Bhutan politics? I've always been fascinated by that one country.

Oooh, that sounds like a nice plan! Acoustic August sounds nice. Juleidoscope?!

What's so fascinating about Bhutan?? It's just a niche Southern Asian country. It's not quite Oriental, but not quite Indian either.

Acoustic August- acoustic covers of previous songs. My acoustic has no pickup, so that means no loops either...Kaleidoscope + July = Juleidoscope. 5 weeks, 5 colors. Tracks that start off with a simple loop, with several overdubs layered on top gradually to create a fuller sounding atmosphere.

Hit the submit button too early btw, the review should've been: Woah! Man! It's been so long since you took it piano like this I'd almost forgotten how soothing such music can be, just skimming the keys with ease, like a breeze, so fluent and free. Serene. Beautiful. It's got just the right atmosphere, like the world before, when it was pollution free, the air so easy to breath. So many feels, soft like a fleeting dream yet sturdy like a beam of steel.

-cd-

Thanks again for the review and listen! I wish I could reciprocate a poetic response, but I'm no writer you see.

It's fascinating that they seem so happy, and haven't really moved into the industrial revolution; exploiting their natural resources like everywhere else in the world. From the documentaries I see they seem like a tiny utopia in a spreading global dystopia.

Ah, five weeks five colors, sounds interesting. Reminds me of the color-based game series ArmorGames had going back in the day: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/341598

heh, knew you'd be referring to Red before I click the link. great game. I remember first playing off your featured favorites back in 2007 I think...great music too, by a Swedish band Koop. ever heard their stuff (outside of the game)?

But you are a musician I hear! With an air of clear profound sound that drowns out downs with astound rounds all of this here year. Just keep doing that music, and I'll do the writing share yeah? :P Cheers.

sounds good

Ah no, I didn't even know what music was playing in the background there, might not have been too into reading descriptions back in the day hmm... checking out some of their stuff now though, though I haven't found that much pure jazz I really like listening too. There was this one track from the Esbjörn Svensson Trio, and then those Jurian tracks that weren't really technically jazz, I think was the verdict reached? Anyway, yeah, awesome game. I wish he'd go back and add medals too, was re-playing that one for so long I might actually fare weller than most...

Groovy.

well Koop really isn't pure jazz, they include a decent bit of sampling and electronic bits in their music.

Btw, I tried using a VPN to bypass that download limit I'm getting via NG, but no luck, doesn't seem to be tied to neither account nor location. :/ You're really getting no notification if you download more than three audio tracks at the same time?? I can't figure out how this thing works.

How's that computer thing going btw?

yeah, doesn't seem to be a problem. Perhaps NG naturally has placed a limit on detected VPNs, and have flagged your IP lol? I know they have something clever going on. Pretty sure VPNs and proxies don't work here, otherwise the voting system could be easily manipulated.

GOod thanks. Exclusive review/synopsis/initial experience posted @ the CyberDB

I hope not. :/ VPN did work to bypass the limit, if I downloaded three tracks via one, and then switched location, and downloaded three via the other, and so on, but switching IP took about half a minute, and you had to wait for downloads to complete before switching (or else they'd be aborted), so that was really just a lot of extra work. They'd have to block a loooot of IPs if they want to block all VPNs. They're supposed to be transparent, so it wouldn't show that I'm using a VPN, I'd just have a different IP, but maybe CloudFlare does have some index for such services. Oh well, getting a new IP seems like the one remaining thing I could try here...

Ah, a new response! I'm on my way...

They might be transparent- the IP aren't associated with a particular verified network, opposed to just a private unidentified network. NG might just limit downloading availability to private networks. Just a guess. Ever tried asking?? Perhaps liljim wouldn't be too happy about mass downloading??

Ah, that sounds possible. Yeah... I'm kinda reluctant to ask since I might just get a "no". ;) Indeed, they might not appreciate mass-downloads, though on the other hand my downloading's bound to be like a grain of sand in their bandwidth quota overall. Don't have much time to resume my collection at the moment, but I'll give it a shot after summer, maybe it'll be different then (can't get worse, at least, I hope...).

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